tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post2973747656542013299..comments2024-03-26T12:36:11.211-04:00Comments on An Archdiocese of Washington Catholic: Fr. Marcel Guarnizo has been thrown under the bus for following Canon Law 915!A WASHINGTONDC CATHOLIChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10821102789185139045noreply@blogger.comBlogger97125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-80870501688283874422018-11-20T19:44:26.340-05:002018-11-20T19:44:26.340-05:00Oh look at you all people! All of you just are no...Oh look at you all people! All of you just are not nice to each other! That is what your God wants...that is all he wants to see everyone to be kind. If she is not a catholic but a homeless, she asked to be blessed with Jesus's body...that is what Jesus wants! Jesus loves everyone on this earth whether you like it or not! Jesus welcomes all kinds of people. Yes...everyone! Be kind to each other. Love one other. Have you seen A WRINKLE IN TIME. That is how we are on Earth. We are so unkind, judge everyone else and being bigotry. This is so tiresome. Starting today, love! Love everyone. It is really nice feeling to love and do kind to others. Believe me. Try it!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-50396396476463592812014-03-03T21:39:13.522-05:002014-03-03T21:39:13.522-05:00Only jmj know what is in the heart we are all sinn...Only jmj know what is in the heart we are all sinner,s jesus came to us out of love one must know right /wrong form thier thoughts &be one with the <br />LORD yes that,s the way the truth i✴ <br />JMJ have mercey on us all✴✴✴✴ 5Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-79793965145763738742012-03-01T21:27:38.977-05:002012-03-01T21:27:38.977-05:00I would like to know why not one person defending ...I would like to know why not one person defending Fr. Marcel has explained why it was canonically proper for him to walk out of the service or to refuse to attend the burial itself.<br /><br />Even if he was canonically correct for refusing communion to Barbara Johnson, there is no excuse, NONE, for his subsequent behavior. He needs to apologize to the Johnson family for his egregious behavior in that regard.<br /><br />I would especially like to hear from the owner of the blog on that part of the issue.Arlington ex-Catholichttp://www.facebook.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-18155029109509509942012-03-01T16:17:54.230-05:002012-03-01T16:17:54.230-05:00Bwah ha ha!
I love it when a pack of nihilistic h...Bwah ha ha!<br /><br />I love it when a pack of nihilistic hedonists stand up on their soapboxes to tell the Catholic Church what to do. Such ironic chutzpah is entertainment at it's highest!grimgrimlynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-20299477628802326692012-03-01T14:39:52.465-05:002012-03-01T14:39:52.465-05:00Lots of ignorance here. Receiving communion isn&#...Lots of ignorance here. Receiving communion isn't like getting a piece of cake at a party. It is not an attendance prize. Only baptized Catholics who are not in a state of mortal sin and who have properly fasted may receive Our Lord.<br /><br />Secondly, it is sad how people construe the good priest's actions as being "political" rather than having a basis in truth and genuine belief. It's like the media thinks the bishops are merely politically grandstanding on the contraception mandate. No, it is about true beliefs. We have a first amendment that leaves us free to practice our faith. You are free to join the faith of your choosing.<br /><br />Aside from that it is sad to see the priest berated for following canon law when put in the difficult position by the lesbian woman who revealed her lifestyle to him just prior to mass. He informed the attendees of regulations on communion reception.<br /><br />Some people can't and don't want to be pleased until we are destroyed. St. Michael pray for us.Peggy ILnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-11697672444784107562012-03-01T14:33:35.763-05:002012-03-01T14:33:35.763-05:00A priest should never make a scene at a funeral, n...A priest should never make a scene at a funeral, nor any time he is presiding. His conduct was disrespectful to the decedent, immature, and disproportionate to the situation. Excluding himself from the altar and not completing the event by not participating at the grave were seriously bad conduct on his part. <br /> As far as the bereaved daughter is concerned, the church has a very long tradition and dogma of permitting a believer to act according to his or her own conscience. One should presume good faith of any person approaching communion. Other wise, how should presiders treat Karen Santorum (who lived for more than seven years as mistress to one of Pennsylvania's biggest abortion providers) approach the altar? How should presiders treat Newt and Callista Gingrich, whose seven year affair while he was married broke up that marriage, and all while she was singing at the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, and receiving communion? Are potential communicants required to walk around with a confessor's certification? In other words, especially in situations in which a respecful and full dialog has previously occurred (not hearsay information, or a few hurried words prior to a Mass), it is highly premature for expreme sanctions such as those we read about to be invoked.<br /> To those arguing that ALL of the priest's conduct was appropriate, let me say that the interest of the Church was seriously compromised by the scandal that HIS conduct caused. What a nightmare that this ended up on page one of one of the major newspapers of the WORLD. I am not going to criticize the Washington Post for covering this. I am pleased that they regard the Church as a institution important enough to allocate resources by covering it. The fact is that we would have known precious little about the horrible sexual scandals of the recent decades had the secular press not brought this into the open. Jesus lived a life in full public view. He was not a secretive person. His Church should welcome the sunshine so that it may be purified over time. <br /> I am also a little troubled that the priest is a bit of a headline grabber. There are various news reports about him snapping photographs by jumping out at people at the Gaithersburg abortion clinic. I am pro-Life. I do not think that such conduct, if true, is prayerful, although it is probably legal. I prefer to see priests acting with more dignity of their office.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-4730857535817618932012-03-01T14:24:25.439-05:002012-03-01T14:24:25.439-05:00Just like the laws change, maybe it's time you...Just like the laws change, maybe it's time you made changes.<br /><br />NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO JUDGEjustmenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-70654507197620520552012-03-01T13:52:42.877-05:002012-03-01T13:52:42.877-05:00This holy priest was RIGHT. This is about the BODY...This holy priest was RIGHT. This is about the BODY OF CHRIST. People have died to protect the BODY OF CHRIST. PRAISE GOD for this HOLY PRIEST!!! <br /><br />Many people in the church are confused and sick because of politics and FAKE, PHONEY ideas of what love actually is. <br /><br />DID YOU KNOW THAT CHRIST IS A WARRIOR KING and that HIS QUEEN, his mother, owns this country? If Christ overturned the money changing tables in zeal for the Father and His house, what is he going to allow to happen to this country and to those who persist in their UGLY PRIDE--out of love for his MOTHER?<br /><br />WAKE UP AMERICA--it's starting to sound like division time. <br /><br />"I JUST WANNA BE A SHEEP--BA, BA. Don't wanna be a goat-NOPE!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-61566976251664991432012-03-01T13:11:09.939-05:002012-03-01T13:11:09.939-05:00If this had been my Priest, I would support him 10...If this had been my Priest, I would support him 100% for his actions. This is not a matter of dicrimination, this is a matter of Love. A good parent disciplines their child to teach them. So does our Heavenly Father. I am an Orthodox Christian, similar to the Catholic. I have been on various occations asked to refrain from taking Communion because I have made choices contrary to God's ways. I accepted this because I knew what I had done was wrong. She should never have presented herself for Commumiom knowing she was living outside of God's ways. <br />This IS love. To say, no you cannot do that, is NOT anything to do with being Lesbian specifically. I am not one, but yet my actions have been wrong enough to be asked to refrain from A Holy Sacrament until I chose to correct my actions. <br />God is the same always, the world is change, not Our God. When he says no to something, it is no. We cannot start to pick and choose what sins we will uphold as grave sins, and which ones, we will put in the minor sins catagory. And yes, there is a difference. <br />Murder will never be minimized to a minor sin. Niether will the action of living outside and against the nature of sexual union be minimized. Because if Christianity did that, it best do murder, stealing, abortion, audultry, etc. Why not make all of the minor sins too?????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-92209050320475866892012-03-01T09:13:44.607-05:002012-03-01T09:13:44.607-05:00To Larry: If John the Baptist was consistent in h...To Larry: If John the Baptist was consistent in his pronouncements of sin, I would applaud him.<br /><br />If John the Baptist decided to preside over Herod's mother's funeral and left because Herod was there, I'd hope that the priest who would serve communion to John, would publicly refuse John communion.<br /><br />In short, was the Priest appropriate in his judgement (by his actions) of the MOTHER for someone else's "sin"? In short - NO!dedeenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-27583539216579991352012-03-01T08:43:42.695-05:002012-03-01T08:43:42.695-05:00These people. They always forget the asterisk aft...These people. They always forget the asterisk after Jesus's commandment: "Do this in memory of me* <br /><br />*unless other humans have decided you live in sin --in which case get out of my sight, you trolls."Alice Kottmyerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09256153881881812606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-66905984772958481472012-03-01T07:00:52.984-05:002012-03-01T07:00:52.984-05:00People like you are why I am no longer Catholic. I...People like you are why I am no longer Catholic. I have read about Catholic priest denying communion from practicing Catholic politicians because of their political beliefs. Priests should be administering to the flock, not passing judgement in public.<br /><br />I encourage all you Catholic readers to look into becoming an Episcopalian. This is what our priest says before communion: "What we celebrate here is not the Episcopal supper but the Lord's supper. We invite each one of you to join us at the Lord's table."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-29592952252414012582012-03-01T06:56:30.064-05:002012-03-01T06:56:30.064-05:00I love how strongly you defend your man made relig...I love how strongly you defend your man made religious laws. Maybe you should try to really understand the meaning of Christianity instead of condeming people to your fairytale purgatory. Looks like his religion got in the way of his Christianity. Good job!Anthonynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-82722583136714621082012-03-01T01:19:43.076-05:002012-03-01T01:19:43.076-05:00This is the very reason that I am no longer a cath...This is the very reason that I am no longer a catholic, and have decided that I am anti-catholic. This church is corrupt and creates much ignorance and suffering. I think it should be persecuted until it no longer can threaten the sanity of ordinary people. Down with the catholic church!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-84625331676078336102012-02-29T23:46:40.828-05:002012-02-29T23:46:40.828-05:00Larry WS2J said: "To those who say that Fr. M...Larry WS2J said: "To those who say that Fr. Marcel was wrong and that ALL relationships are good in the eyes of God, would you tell John the *Baptist that he was wrong for telling Herod that he was in an inappropriate relationship with Herodias?<br /><br />Jesus said there had never been anyone on earth as good as John the Baptist, but in today's society he would be called a hatemonger and intolerant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-85121153206745992832012-02-29T22:09:34.768-05:002012-02-29T22:09:34.768-05:00i don't need another reminder that I made the ...i don't need another reminder that I made the right choice to leave the catholic church, but the church can't seem to go a week without providing one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-32920490227096608522012-02-29T20:51:59.406-05:002012-02-29T20:51:59.406-05:00I'm not a Catholic (or religious at all, for t...I'm not a Catholic (or religious at all, for that matter), so I really don't care how other people conduct their religious ceremonies. However, I might suggest that if you've set things up so that a dang <i>funeral</i> can be interrupted by a moment to publicly condemn the behavior of <i>the deceased's grieving daughter</i>, it ought to inspire some reflection as to whether this is truly a virtuous arrangement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-44599369800035457042012-02-29T20:31:51.075-05:002012-02-29T20:31:51.075-05:00For folks who don't understand Fr. Marcel'...For folks who don't understand Fr. Marcel's decision to withhold the Eucharist, I would suggest you buy yourselves a copy of "The Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church" and read it. <br /><br />To those who say that Fr. Marcel was wrong and that ALL relationships are good in the eyes of God, would you tell John the *Baptist that he was wrong for telling Herod that he was in an inappropriate relationship with Herodias?<br /><br />You can call a duck a cat if you want to; but even after saying it until you turn blue the duck will still be a duck and the cat will still be a cat.<br /><br />If you can't follow the teachings of the Catholic Church, then by all means, go join another church and have at it. The Truth will prevail.Larry W2LJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11511736425569962662noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-7390664412461267702012-02-29T19:58:34.734-05:002012-02-29T19:58:34.734-05:00Thrown under the bus? Hardly.
CC2357 says homosex...Thrown under the bus? Hardly.<br /><br />CC2357 says homosexual acts are "acts of grave depravity" but CC2358 says that women with deep-seated homosexual tendencies "must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided."<br /><br /><a href="http://www.catholic-forum.com/churches/communion/eng/library/FAQ.shtml" rel="nofollow">Communion</a> states plainly: "Gays who do not engage in homosexual activity and who accept the teaching of the Church may receive communion in good conscience."<br /><br />Furthermore, CC1858 says that "the gravity of sins is more or less great." CC1860 adds that "the promptings of feelings and passions can also diminish the voluntary and free character of the offense, as can external pressures or pathological disorders."<br /><br />If an inclination to homosexuality is "objectively disordered" per CC2358, is Fr. Marcel really in a position to determine without doubt that the woman is not in a state of grace? Whether one should present oneself for Communion, how is the priest's action not a sign of unjust discrimination?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-86694060954558901002012-02-29T19:56:23.762-05:002012-02-29T19:56:23.762-05:00There, for me is only one Commandment regarding th...There, for me is only one Commandment regarding this situation. My Creator, in dealing with AND standing with a prostitute who was in danger of being stoned, simply said, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone". That is the creator I follow.<br />When the process becomes more important than Jesus' message, religion is lost. I find it amazing that anyone could be so lost in the process that they could let politics be more important than the Master's words and message.<br />I will seek and follow Jesus forever, until I die, and I have nothing but contempt for 'religion'. This is a perfect example of why.<br />I only care about one thing in this sad, hideous situation: It was Barbara's mother. <br />This was about Christ and a woman trying to say goodbye to her dear mom. <br />If this is what 'church' is about, you may have it, pharisees. I am aghast.Kim Gienownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-78998252321712424542012-02-29T19:46:52.958-05:002012-02-29T19:46:52.958-05:00I am not a Christian.But my sympathies are entirel...I am not a Christian.But my sympathies are entirely with the priest,and I am disgusted with the woman's use of her mother's funeral to wave a sledgehammer in the face of her mother's faith by parading a relationship that faith totally prohibits and demanding to be treated as if she were a member in good standing.I am likewise disgusted with the Archdiocese's apology for its priest's sincerity.May the Pope make Guarnizo its new Archbishop!Louis E.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-62466231820080638092012-02-29T19:02:43.749-05:002012-02-29T19:02:43.749-05:00A priest can deny any person communion if he/she i...A priest can deny any person communion if he/she is not a Catholic or gravely in error wrt Catholic morality. A Muslim, A Hindu, a Jewish and most Christian Denominations believer will be denied Communion if the priest knows it and the person approaches to receive the communion. <br /><br /> When the priest denied the communion, the person can deny the state of sin or say that she is no more in error. But this person didn't do it. <br /><br /> Why is this a major issue. Because it is made as a right of the other person (especially because the person has a gay partner), not the right of the Church to deny communion. Church can deny communion to anyone.<br /><br /> If people don't like something, it is better to leave. So don't go to Catholic Church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-69750059480092523862012-02-29T17:48:23.496-05:002012-02-29T17:48:23.496-05:00First off, praise God for a priest like that who a...First off, praise God for a priest like that who actually knows and follows truth.<br />To all those who think this is hate, to deny a person in mortal sin Communion, please look up the Catholic definition of love, or just keep reading. The Catholic definition is that we want and do what is BEST for others. Living in a relationship like that is sinful. We really can never know the true state of another's soul, but if she persists in this until death, Church Doctrine states she will go to Hell upon death.<br /><br />I would like to address all the arguments here, but there are too many. Catholics are not taught that the conscience is the ultimate moral guide. It is a useful tool, but it can be trained, and like an animal, it can be trained to be good or bad. One who trains their conscience to be bad cannot be trusted to make intuitive moral decisions. Since we all have our consciences malformed in some way, we must have some source of truth to tell us what is good and evil. This was given to the Catholic Church by Jesus.<br /><br />On that subject, Jesus indeed taught all loving forgiveness and love. The thing is, love is two ways. We have to love Him as well. If we love Him, we follow His commandments. One of Jesus's commandments is very common in the Gospels: "REPENT and believe in the Gospel." We can get forgiveness, but it is not worth anything if we just go back to sinning. Now small sins, since God knows we will sin constantly no matter what, aren't problems. It is when we sin in a continuously serious way that we have a problem.<br /><br />Someone here referenced Canon law stating that Communion must be denied to people who persist in serious sin. To expand on that, the Church defines being gay or lesbian as a serious sin because it is a sin against nature and our very beings. This is because God created male and female to complement each other in a way that reflects His own perfect love. When we pervert this, it offends God by offenses against His nature, our nature, and regular nature.<br /><br />To those who call hate, the final summation of my argument is that Catholics believe that being lesbian is a serious sin, and we wish to prevent people like that from hurting themselves further by receiving Communion unworthily and thus deny them Communion. We also deny them in order to let them know that what they are doing is seriously wrong so they can rectify the situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-67444431637412472202012-02-29T17:20:06.109-05:002012-02-29T17:20:06.109-05:00She acted wrongly in forcing the issue.
My admirat...She acted wrongly in forcing the issue.<br />My admiration for a Priest with courage. And the Diocese apologized ? shame.donaldnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9091192923206493007.post-29540930697928054742012-02-29T17:06:19.295-05:002012-02-29T17:06:19.295-05:00Good for you, Nancy Russ, you expressed it extreme...Good for you, Nancy Russ, you expressed it extremely well. This is 2012, not the Dark Ages, altho' that is the way to which the Holy Roman Catholic Church would really like it to be returned. This woman seeking the blessings of the church may have been in solely a LOVING relationship, who is this Father(?) Marcel to question, and what is his business, it is soley hers and HIS business! A.M.D.G.steve from melbourne, flnoreply@blogger.com